Poetry Month 2013: “GongGong and Susie” by Janet Wong

"GongGong and Susie" by Janet Wong

“When you rush to park…

and end up hopeless, crooked–
just start over.”


Story of my life. And such simple, sound advice. Just start over. As one who has found herself hopeless and crooked in all sorts of corners over the years, and is still listing a bit to the right, I am a true believer in starting over. Pick up, brush off, start over. It’s never too late. You’re never too old.

Those few words in that quote set me off on a whole philosophical, introspective retrospective on my life and all the times I’ve started over — quitting college, changing goals, quitting jobs, getting new jobs, quitting them again, going back to college, changing goals, changing careers, changing cities, changing countries. But the funny thing is that those words aren’t from some What Color Is My Parachute? type of book or a feel-good motivational tape. Nope, they’re from a poem. About driving.

And that’s what’s so great about poems. They take you places. They take you places they probably weren’t intended to take you or that you didn’t intend to go. No matter. You just go. Maybe they leave you crooked in a corner. Maybe they straighten you out.

This bit of sound advice about driving, about life, comes from our very own

Janet Wong

I know Janet only virtually, but I have a strong suspicion that she is a very practical person, like me. I’m guessing she’s a plain talker, too. Got something to say? Just say it. At least, that’s what comes through in her poetry. She’s just so darn sensible and her writing is so plain-spoken and accessible that you don’t even know that she’s taking you on a joyride until she drops you off back home, slightly out of sorts but feeling good.

And she is a fabulous storyteller. I don’t know why that surprised me, but it did. I think we should all go to Janet’s house in our jammies, curl up on the rug with some chocolate (and potato chips for Janet), and ask her to tell us stories. She must have a million of them, judging by the amazing array of subjects her books cover. Like… (click the pics to zoom and read the poems)


KNOCK ON WOOD by Janet Wong




NIGHT GARDEN by Janet Wong









And that’s just a smattering of the over thirty books Janet has to her credit, which include poetry, picture books, and young adult novels. The variety of subject matter astounds me!

As does this wonderful story and poem, “GongGong and Susie” from Janet’s second book, A Suitcase of Seaweed and other poems. Get your jammies on!


Susie sure is good
Got to be.
I treat her right.
Last night
kill a skunk.

Did I tell you?
Many times
I did eat
Take out them
stinky thing,
with garlic, onion.
Skunk, snake, night owl,
I eat them
It was Depression time.
No work, nothing
to do.
We hunt, we fish, we camp.

Hey Susie, Susie,
want to eat
some chow

*GongGong is one Cantonese word for grandfather.

[heading style=”1″]INTERVIEW with JANET WONG[/heading]

What’s up with Janet

Janet S. WongJanet: who are you, where are you, and how long have you been a rhyming/free versing fool?
Who am I? Where am I? I’m three people (each of them a size 4). I’m a hermit who lives in Princeton and loves carnivorous plants and witch hazels. I’m a daughter who takes Mom to her doctors in Seattle once a month. And I’m a poet who travels town to town sharing a suitcase of poetry. How long have I been a poetry fool? My Poet-Self is 21 years old. She helps to keep my Regular-Self young!

Can you share the first poem you ever wrote?
I don’t have any memory of a first poem written as a child; I didn’t like poetry, starting around fourth grade. In fairness, I think it was poetry homework that I didn’t like, not poetry itself.

The first poem that my poetry teacher Myra Cohn Livingston liked (when I took her class as an adult) was “Waiting at the Railroad Cafe” in Good Luck Gold. It was the first serious poem that I wrote and it was based on a painful memory from my childhood. I tell kids: “I hope you don’t have many painful memories, but we will all have at least one—and a poem is a good place to put it.”

“GongGong and Susie” is from your collection A Suitcase of Seaweed and other poems, a collection of poems about your Chinese and Korean heritage and your “American you.”

You have also written poetry and picture books on, among other things, the following topics: driving, elections, dreams, superstitions, endangered animals, cultural differences, chess, yoga, and buzzing noises. I think it’s useless to ask where you find your ideas, because you obviously find them everywhere! But what is it about a particular subject that makes you think, “This would be a good subject for a collection.” And what kind of preparation goes into the writing of your collections/books?
When you’re hungry, how do you decide what to eat? You could eat anything from cherries to chocolate to chips. Or all three! My body of work looks like my refrigerator—a hodgepodge of things I felt like munching on at that moment.

To get back to your question: some of my books do have very specific sources of inspiration. I wrote Twist: Yoga Poems because my friend Julie Paschkis, illustrator of Night Garden: Poems from the World of Dreams and Knock on Wood: Poems about Superstitions, is crazy about yoga. I wanted to do a third book with Julie, and I thought a collection of yoga poems would make a great gift to her. I wrote Alex and the Wednesday Chess Club because I was spending a lot of Saturdays at chess tournaments with my son.

What kind of prep do I do for my books? Mainly a lot of brainstorming and bouncing ideas around, reading, and asking people for their opinions on this or that. With my latest projects, the books in The Poetry Friday Anthology series, I think about what teachers would find useful in poetry. My friend and collaborator Sylvia Vardell is the queen of practical poetry books, and we might go back and forth on email dozens of times a day, discussing poems and curriculum tips, refining our approach to make it more useful to teachers. (A hint about our next book: STEM!)

For those of you who don’t know, Janet was a lawyer before she was a children’s literature goddess. Here she is speaking about the transformation. 

So, Janet, there you were, lawyering around town, when you decided to write children’s books. You’ve said elsewhere that at the time, you didn’t know how to begin…so how did you begin? Can you tell us a story about some of the PB skeletons from your “should never see the light of day” closet?
I started by going to the library and checking out books on how to get published. I raided the 808 and 070 sections of the library. Then I joined SCBWI and started sending out the picture book manuscripts that I wrote each week. After I had received about 26 rejection letters, I figured it was time to learn how to write for children. I signed up for a class in poetry with Myra Cohn Livingston—but not to learn poetry. I wanted to study rhyme, repetition, and rhythm to help me write the next Goodnight Moon. I had heard Myra speak at a one-day workshop on “everything you need to know to write a book and get it published” and I knew I could learn something from her. I shudder with embarrassment when I remember the first day of poetry class; when we went around the room introducing ourselves, I was so oblivious that I said, “I’m here just to sharpen my prose.” Myra was a brilliant teacher with a generous soul. I was so lucky to be able to study with her.

Since then, you’ve published about a million books. What was the journey to publication like for you? Where do you hope to go from here?
Myra sold my first book for me. One day she called me and said, “Guess what I did yesterday?” A few months earlier I had complained about my rejection letters and Myra had said, “You’re not ready to be published.” I asked her when I would be ready. I was a graduate of Yale Law School and had practiced law for four years—but I couldn’t write a book for two-year-olds? Myra told me that I could give her a manuscript now and then; she would read it and she would tell me when I was ready. As it turned out, she did much more than that!

Where do I hope to go from here? I have worked with stellar editors at some of the best publishers: Simon & Schuster, HMHarcourt, Frances Foster/FSG, Candlewick, Charlesbridge, and Richard C. Owen Books. But last year, Sylvia Vardell and I formed our own company, Pomelo Books, and this is where my focus is now. This is a very exciting time for writers. We have so many options! You can have a publisher publish your book in the traditional way; you can start a small company of your own and print paperbacks on demand; or you can upload an e-book to the Kindle store and send an Amazon link to all your friends a day later (at no cost to you).

So do you think self-pubbing is a good option for a previously unpublished writer? Any pearls of wisdom to impart?
It’s hard to give advice on this. It’s like someone asking, “Should I shave my head bald?” I could tell you, Renée, that you would look fabulous with a shiny bald head—you have such a pretty face, I’m sure you would—but this is something you really have to think long and hard about yourself. If you shave your head bald and, as a result of your stunning bald appearance, you end up landing a huge part in an award-winning movie, you’ll tell me that my advice was useful. If, however, you shave your head bald and you look ugly and the hair grows back in odd clumps, you’ll never trust me again.

Self-publishing is kind of the same way; whether it’s good advice depends a lot on the result. One great thing about e-books and Createspace print-on-demand books is that you can easily revise the files and update what is sold on Amazon—so you needn’t despair if your self-published book isn’t an instant bestseller. (You can just keep revising until it is!)

And for what it’s worth: I was on a conference panel last year when a respected editor said that she would not hold it against a manuscript if she were told, in the cover letter, that it had been self-published already as an e-book. She said: if the book has sold well as an e-book, its sales history might even help get it published. I think a growing number of editors feel the same way.

(This just in: email from Janet – breaking news: Gwyneth Paltrow once had a shaved head! I guess it was before she was famous–or at least that’s what a quick glance at the HuffPost article told me. So, you see, the answer is: YES, you can shave your head (or self-publish) and still become a famous star.)

You have often cited Myra Cohn Livingston as your poetry teacher and mentor. What is the most important lesson you learned in your time studying with Ms. Livingston? How did the experience shape your own writing?
I learned many things from Myra, but the most important thing was to put some music in a poem through rhyme, repetition, or rhythm.

Do you think mentoring is important for new children’s poets? What advice would you give to budding poets in this regard?
Finding a mentor is important for anyone in any field. And being a mentor helps remind a person of what is important.

How can a budding poet find a mentor? Be a good citizen of whatever community you share with your mentor; be respectful; be a good listener. Find a way to give of yourself, to inspire your mentor to give back.

What are your criteria for a good children’s poem?
There are many, many great children’s poems; what I’m trying to write nowadays—or to include in our anthologies—are poems that aren’t simply good but that also fill a gap, that are about underrepresented or new subjects. In the two editions of The Poetry Friday Anthology, I have poems about Skyping with a military dad, being in charge after Mom goes to work, and celebrating a blended family. Sonya Sones has a poem about babysitting; Eileen Spinelli and Guadalupe Garcia McCall have poems about bullying; Linda Kulp has a poem about texting. These are topics that you won’t find many poems about!

You visit dozens of schools each year to work with students and teachers. What advice do you have for teachers who may be reluctant or insecure about sharing poetry with their students? And for the students themselves who may think poetry is something icky?
Advice for teachers: ask your district to buy either the K-5 edition or the middle school edition of The Poetry Friday Anthology and dive right in!

Advice for students: poetry is the easiest genre to write. Write a poem a day and you’re on your way to becoming a strong writer. Become a strong writer, and maybe you’ll land a job as a sports reporter who goes to the Olympics for free, or a video game developer who spends all day inventing stories for games, or a car reviewer who gets to drive a Ferrari this week and a Lamborghini next week, or the VP of marketing for your favorite company. Become a strong writer, and the world will open itself up to you.

If you could go on a trip around the world with any children’s poet (living or otherwise), who would it be and why, and what place would you most like to show that person?
Myra Cohn Livingston passed away more than 15 years ago, before she could see how many of her students had become successful poets. I’d like to take her to a bookstore and show her all of our books—and then we could visit Tokyo for our sushi lunch!

Quick: a rhyming couplet using the word “fringe.” (You can use it in your new collection on decorative trimmings!)

When Grandy was a girl, she had an awful chore:
Comb the fringe of the carpet—oh, what a bore!

Grandy, my mother-in-law, grew up during the Depression. One day she told us a story about how everyone took extremely good care of their belongings during the Depression because they had so little. As an example, she described this awful chore—and the image has stayed with me.

At our old house (which Grandy used to visit when she was alive), we had carpets with messy fringe that went every which way and was kind of dusty (because I never combed or vacuumed it). I wonder: was she trying to tell me that I needed to do better housekeeping?

Can we come visit you and peruse your wares?
Yes, please visit me at one of my sites or the sites/blogs for our Pomelo Books projects!

Websites: janetwong.com  |  poetrysuitcase.com  |  pomelobooks.com

Blogs: PoetryFridayAnthology.blogspot.com  |  PFAMS.blogspot.com  |  TheDeclarationOfInterdependenceBlog.blogspot.com

Thanks for stopping by, Janet, and for adding “GongGong and Susie” to No Water River’s video poetry library! 


[heading style=”1″]More Stuff about Janet[/heading]

I didn’t have space to include all the questions I wanted to ask — such as how many awards Janet has won and how she ended up having lunch at the White House and why she’s eavesdropping on Caroline Kennedy here:

Janet Wong with Caroline Kennedy

…so here’s all the places you can find lots more information!

[heading style=”1″]Extension Activities for “GongGong and Susie”[/heading]

  • Writing
    • Janet offers a wonderful writing exercise in her video: Ask a relative or older person to tell a story, and write it down exactly as it is said. Retell that story in a free verse poem in which you try to capture the true voice of the person.
    • Try Janet’s simile writing lesson.
  • Reading
    • Explore a selection of Janet’s books and discuss how ideas can come from everywhere and anywhere.
    • Learn more about Janet and her work by reading Before It Wriggles Away, an autobiography in the Meet the Author series.
  • Performing/Creating
    • Make a poetry suitcase. Janet provides lots of ideas here for creating, renewing, and sharing a poetry suitcase in your classroom.
    • Janet’s poems are full of strong and distinct voices. Have each student choose a favorite poem and create a character for that poem. Students can look for clues about the narrator in the poem — such as age, gender, place, circumstance, personality traits — or invent their own characters. They can use props or costume pieces to bring the character to life. Students can then memorize or read their poems in character. For younger kids, do the exercise as a whole class.
  • Eating

Chow Mein


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Video Location: Janet’s spotless slice of heaven. Intro filmed at Buca delle Fate (Fairies’ Cove) in Tuscany, Italy.

See more poems in my poetry video library.

All poems © Janet Wong. Illustrations for Knock On Wood, Night Garden, Declaration of Interdependence, and Twist © Julie Paschkis. Illustrations for The Rainbow Hand © Jennifer Hewitson.

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  1. Wow, Renee: I feel like I just saw an episode of “This Is Your Life”! What a great tribute to my work–thank you!!!

  2. I love this wonderful advice, so I’ll highlight it again here:

    “I learned many things from Myra, but the most important thing was to put some music in a poem through rhyme, repetition, or rhythm.”

    Yes, yes! Count those beats and measures. Listen for sharps and flats. Listen. Sing the words with a full heart. Glorious guidance. Thank you for sharing it with us all.

  3. Wow, I feel like I have just had a natter over coffee with Janet – superb interview, Renée. So many great nuggets of advice here but I did love this especially,

    I tell kids: “I hope you don’t have many painful memories, but we will all have at least one—and a poem is a good place to put it.”

      1. Well, it’s an obvious thought–but I think we all need to say it often to remind everyone. Poetry allows us to vent. Poetry allows us to heal. And if children get into the practice of using poetry to express themselves (and to deal with the stress in their lives), they will be able to fall back on those skills when they hit the hard teen years.

  4. Wow indeed! What a fabulous interview. I laughed at the bald bits, especially because you can tear your hair out just deciding whether or not to self-pub. I look forward to reading more of Janet’s poems and best wishes with the Middle grade anthology.

  5. I’m adding my Wow! to the other Wows! The Poetry Friday Anthologies inspired me to gather poetry resources to share with teachers. I created a page on my blog. Coming from a teaching background, I know how little time teachers have to do an incredible amount of work. Janet Wong and Sylvia Vardell have done an amazing job with these books and I am spreading the word anywhere I can. Both the K-5 and the Middle School anthologies are such a practical way for teachers to dive into poetry with no fear. This interview is just wonderful. It was so nice to meet Janet through your post. I headed on over to YouTube to listen to view more “Janet” videos!

    1. Your resource page is fabulous, Penny! The PFA series really is important and so USEFUL. Glad you found more Janet on YouTube. I know we both write rhyme, but I’ve learned a ton just by reading Janet’s free verse – highly recommended!

  6. Thanks for the interview, Renee! Enlightening and educational…’specially for those of us still trying to get that first sale.

  7. Thank you Renee and Janet for a thoroughly engaging, informative, and delightful interview. Janet, your energy level is simply amazing. Renee, I bet you needed a nap. As always, this is the place to come for high excellence. Thank you!

      1. Renee: My son is in college now so I have a little more time and energy than I did a couple of years ago. But to do all that you do–with this blog, your writing, your professional editing, your theater work, AND your young boys!–well, just simply AMAZING.

  8. I loved reading the ‘story’ of Janet’s writing life, the beginnings and on, Renee. I know there must be more, but this is just lovely. I am proud to say I own several of Janet’s books & have used her poetry suitcase idea with my students. All ages love the anticipation of looking inside! So much of value happens when others share about their work, and this is very special. Thanks to both of you for the inspiration!

  9. Renee and Janet,
    Thanks for sharing yourselves with us. Super excellent interview.
    Janet, don’t shave your head. I like you just the way you are.
    Thanks for the Myra stories. Is there a book of recollections from all the students in her classes? I’m sure there is a lot we could all still learn.

      1. Anita Wintz, one of Myra’s students who published poems in anthologies but didn’t publish a collection of her own, wrote such a book. I believe that she gathered quotes from Alice Schertle, Kristine O’Connell George, April Wayland, myself, and others and tried to sell it about 5 years after Myra’s death to Myra’s longtime publisher, Margaret K. McElderry Books. This was, unfortunately, after Margaret had already semi-retired and unfortunately no one at the company was interested.

  10. Hey, everyone–thanks for stopping by!

    As for the baldness: You know that scene in “Beasts of the Southern Wild” where they’re shouting “Beast it! Beast it!” and they want to see Hushpuppy tear into the crab? On April 1st, 2014, if our talented friend Renee hasn’t yet sent a poetry collection to a publisher, I think we need to shout, “Bald it! Bald it!” and demand some poetry action!!

    1. Janet, I am not familiar with that film, but “Beast it! Beast it!” may be my new favorite thing to say.

      I accept your challenge. If I have not submitted and/or self-pubbed a collection by April 1, 2014, I will shave my head.

      Now I am terrified.

      1. All right, then! I feel confident that I can congratulate you now on your new (traditionally-pubbed or indie-pubbed) collection–can’t wait to read it!

  11. I adore this video and interview. Thank you so much, Renee and Janet! “GongGong and Susie” is not only beautifully written and amazingly read, it is a powerful reminder of the stories in families and in grandparents everywhere. I teared up when Janet read; her GongGong would be so proud of her. We’re lucky! I’m glad you made this April 1, 2014 bet publicly. Now we can look forward to your collection! xo, a.

  12. Oh, I could listen to Janet all day. What a(nother!!) terrific interview, Renée!

    Janet, thanks as always for your generosity and insights – those things you say that make us all say, “Well, yes, of course” and yet we hadn’t articulated ourselves? That stuff.

    When you read GongGong and Susie (or other poems I’ve heard you read on CDs and such), your delightful family members are alive for us in that moment, too. Thank you.

  13. Janet feels like someone you could have over for coffee even if your house was a mess. She is so talented yet she makes the audience so comfortable! Kids must love her school visits.

  14. Word(s) sure get around. I loved this posting and the serendipity of the Caroline Kennedy setting. I popped your book there to talk to students about “Liberty” in anticipation of the visit, and the placement couldn’t have worked out more nicely! Your words were on our lips, and the over the shoulder glance, perfect!

  15. Great interview! I loved all the bits other people already mentioned — the music, making a poem from painful memories, the baldness…
    Also, listening to a story from an elder and turning it into a poem sounds like a great idea. The suitcase does, too. Lots of takeaways in this post!

      1. You can do the poetry suitcase thing for your kids, Renee. Take some old toys and odd items, write poems to go with them, and stick all of that in a suitcase. Let your boys pick a couple of things out of the suitcase every Saturday night–and then read your poems. When the suitcase is all “used up,” give it to a good friend who has children!

  16. What a fabulous treat, Renee! A back to back of Joyce Sidman and Janet Wong! You are rockin and rollin! I have to find Janet’s poetry books and feature them for our next bimonthly theme. About time for me to be more intimate with her poetry. 🙂

  17. Hahaha–I love your description of Janet’s personality, and I think it’s right on the money. She is so smart and says it how it is, but she says it in a generous way that doesn’t hurt feelings and that moves forward to whatever the practical goal is. I love people like that! I agree her poetry is accessible, which I adore. Sometimes I know I’m on a quiet joyride during the poem itself, and other times, as you said, it doesn’t hit me until later. Thanks for featuring Janet–a wonderful poet and excellent businesswoman. (Love her description of self-publishing advice, too.)

  18. I love how your poem brings your grandpa back for you! Your reading brought it and your poem alive for me. So very interesting…

    Makes me think about my grandpa telling us about how skunks would get in the corn crib and they’d have to get them out. He’d say if you snatched them up by their tail they couldn’t spray you. I don’t think I’m going to try it any time soon though! 😀

  19. Renee, thank you for introducing me to your wonderful site via 12×12, and to Janet’s poetry!

    Janet, I loved your expressive reading of GongGong and Susie in this interview! The poem is wonderful: it made me smile and it made me cry 🙂

    My rural library has a copy of I Have to Write, which I also enjoyed… an encouraging book for both children and adult writers. They plan to purchase a copy of A Suitcase of Seaweed for me/the library, which Renee recommended to me as a great example of free verse.

    I look forward to reading it!

    1. Thank you, Linda, for your wonderful comment–and for being an advocate for my work and introducing more of my titles to your local librarians!

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